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J. Edgar Hoover

I remember Nixon's FBI of the late 60's and early 70's (actually J. Edgar Hover's FBI) spying on Americans who were against the war, or just "different." In fact, after the FOIA Act came along, it was a cool exercise to get one's FBI file to see what kind of outlandish info they kept on you. I thought those days were over.

But not with the most paranoid and secretive administration in history, as Bill Moyers has pointed out. President Bush let loose the NSA snoop dogs himself in a 2002 secret executive order, the New York Times reported on Thursday.


J. Edgar Bush

MSNBC has the story:

NEW YORK - The National Security Agency has eavesdropped, without warrants, on as many 500 people inside the United States at any given time since 2002, The New York Times reported Friday.

That year, following the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush authorized the NSA to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of people inside the United States, the Times reported.

Before the program began, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations. Overseas, 5,000 to 7,000 people suspected of terrorist ties are monitored at one time.

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But some NSA officials were so concerned about the legality of the program that they refused to participate, the Times said. Questions about the legality of the program led the administration to temporarily suspend it last year and impose new restrictions.

Condi Rice pushed back this morning on the Today show and, shock of shocks, defended the president's secret order.

"I'm not going to comment on intelligence matters," she told NBC's "Today" show. But Rice did say that President Bush "has always said he would do everything he can to protect the American people, but within the law, and with due regard for civil liberties because he takes seriously his responsibility."

"The president acted lawfully in every step that he has taken," Rice said, "to defend the American people and to defend the people within his constitutional responsibility."

The ACLU has chimed in:

Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the group's initial reaction to the NSA disclosure was "shock that the administration has gone so far in violating American civil liberties to the extent where it seems to be a violation of federal law."

Asked about the administration's contention that the eavesdropping has disrupted terrorist attacks, Fredrickson said the ACLU couldn't comment until it sees some evidence. "They've veiled these powers in secrecy so there's no way for Congress or any independent organizations to exercise any oversight."

This comes on the heals of last week's revelations that a Pentagon database established to organize information about threats to the military, contained personal data about American citizens who the Pentagon now admits were no threat to the military at all.

I've often wondered if my blogging activity is on some Bush list somewhere and is catagorized as a "threat to America." If you are reading this, FBI, my blogging IS America.


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We needed to be reminded.

And for all those who are too young to remember what it was like--"Surprise"!

Tom Ball was right last November.  It truly was
"mourning in America."  But I don't think any of us anticipated it would be quite this dark.

Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle. FDR

by btyarbro on 12/16/2005 03:31:57 PM EST

(courtesy of MSNBC) Bush refuses to comment (another surprise):
President Bush refused to say whether the National Security Agency eavesdropped without warrants on people inside the United States but leaders of Congress condemned the practice on Friday and promised to look into what the administration has done.

"There is no doubt that this is inappropriate," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He said there would be hearings early next year and that they would have "a very, very high priority."

More from Arlen:

"I will make this point," he continued. "That whatever I do to protect the American people -- and I have an obligation to do so -- that we will uphold the law, and decisions made are made understanding we have an obligation to protect the civil liberties of the American people."

Gee, Arlen, that seems like an obvious, but nevertheless important, point.

Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle. FDR

by btyarbro on 12/16/2005 04:04:35 PM EST

and raised hell with his staffer over his stance on the Patriot Act, and said Specter looks like an enemy of civil liberties. I also demanded to know when Specter was going to make a public statement about the NYT story on the NSA. The staffer wasn't happy trying to explain why Specter hadn't denounced the operation. Maybe it helped.

Btw, the third of your quotes was attributed to Bush, not Specter.

by smintheus on 12/16/2005 04:55:10 PM EST

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Request your file. I guess it would be through the Privacy Act, if it's your own. Might be interesting.

A couple years ago I got my late great-uncle's file through FOIA. He was a communist. The FBI investigated him in the 50s. It was fascinating reading. He was just a fairly ordinary member of the CP, not a leader or anything like that, but they frequently called other family members pretending to be a friend and asking what he was up to. They stopped him on the street to confront him, trying to see if he might change sides and spy for them. They spoke to his employers. They noted that he'd sent a "holiday greeting card" to a friend in jail who'd been convicted under the Smith Act. Some of it was hilarious (it took them 5 or 6 tries to get a decent photograph of him--each time staking out a place near his home or workplace with a hidden camera so they could snap him as he walked by). Hilarity aside, creepy stuff.

It does make you wonder if you've made it onto their lists, and if so, what they are collecting about you.

by astraea on 12/16/2005 04:12:50 PM EST

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