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Murtha "Likes" Hadley: Sees US Troops Out of Iraq by Year End 2006 Email Print

On ABC's This Week (12/04/05, Stephanopoulos), Rep. John Murtha responded to Hadley's comments on troop redeployment saying, "I like this guy. I mean, he's starting to come around. He's starting to understand what the American people are saying, and what the Iraqi people are saying. ... He's coming around because he's talking about redeployment. He's talking about pulling our troops out. And I can see, by what he's saying, that we're going to be out of there by the end of the year or very close to it."

Murtha was referring to earlier comments by National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley where Hadley said the US may be ready to reduce the number of troops in Iraq if Iraqis continued making progress at the current pace.

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Hadley echoed Bush's statement "that decisions about troop withdrawals would be made when U.S. commanders there felt Iraqis were ready to govern and protect themselves without U.S. help, but said that could come as early as 2006."

Speaking on ABC's This Week, Hadley said, "We think that if trends continue and we continue to make the progress and the Iraqis continue to make the progress we're making, we'll be in a position sometime next year for us to -- for the commanders on the ground to make their assessments," adding, "And it may be at that point they will come to the president and say, we want to make some adjustments." He went on to say, "It's pretty clear that no country likes to have foreign forces on their soil. We don't want to be there. Ultimately, the Iraqis don't want us there."

In the meantime, "House Democratic leaders this week will try to block any effort by members to adopt an official Democratic Caucus position on the Iraq war, recognizing such a move would highlight internal party differences and invite new political troubles."

Leadership "sources say Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.), Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (Md.) and Caucus Chairman Bob Menendez (N.J.) agree that while members are becoming increasingly vocal about the war, a unified position on the subject is still impossible to settle on." Because of that, Pelosi "recently asked Menendez to keep this week's Caucus focused on a discussion of the war and away from a vote on the subject."

As was discussed on the Cortex yesterday, Democrats and the public have been duped by the Republican Wurlitzer into believing that a the 'rift' among Democrats on the issue is to a fictional degree atypical of most issues on the Hill and beyond the point where cooperation and compromise would be either effective or even possible. Simply not true.

And in a related episode John McCain appeared on NBC's Meet the Press (12/04/05, Russert) saying that an elevation of troop levels Is "Not going to happen.," He continued,  "I think it was a terrible mistake when we didn't have enough troops there, and we paid a very heavy price in American blood and treasure because of the secretary of defense' failure to recognize the obvious. ... We...continue to pay a heavy price for not having enough troops to bring the situation under control, which allowed places like Fallujah and others to become hot beds and centers of insurgent activities." McCain went on to say, "I still think we should have more troops there. But it's not going to happen. And that's just reality. It's not going to happen. But we really needed to expand the size of the Marine Corps and the Army so we didn't have the terrific strain on our Guard and Reserve, particularly our guard units."

Although there are certainly some points of agreement, it's clear that McCain - amongst the more reasonable on the right - is living in a different world regarding the desired future involvement of the US in Iraq.

And that is where the REAL rift is.


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Kerry, appearing on CBS' Face The Nation (12/04/05), Schieffer) said, "There is no reason...that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the -- historical customs, religious customs, whether you like it or not. Iraqis should be doing that. And after all of these two-and-a-half years, with all of the talk of 210,000 people trained, there just is no excuse for not transferring more of that authority."

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by Tom Ball on 12/05/2005 01:15:24 PM EST

set a withdrawal deadline is positively ridiculous to me.

Sure, I wish we weren't there, but we are. That said, we owe it to the Iraqi people to make sure that they aren't left in total chaos when we withdraw.

That's what we get for "electing" and "reelecting" these assholes to the White House.

by Embolden on 12/05/2005 01:18:56 PM EST

You assume we're making progress.  Every indicator that I see points in the other direction -- the longer we stay, the worse it becomes.

In which case, getting out soon is the best thing we can do for the Iraqi people.

by Devilstower on 12/05/2005 01:52:49 PM EST

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It is very sad that we've come to this. Innocent lives were destroyed. Global good will was destroyed. America's reputation was destroyed. Our opportunity to put forth unprecedented global cooperation to combat terrorism was destroyed. The one thing that should have been destroyed -- that we had the opportunity to destroy in 2004 -- has not yet been destroyed -- the unmitigated capacity of this administration to... destroy.

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by Tom Ball on 12/05/2005 03:15:47 PM EST

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I voted for Kerry.

Boy that really sounded hollow didn't it :(

by Embolden on 12/05/2005 02:19:47 PM EST

All those girls who told me it wasn't me, it was them were lying?  <sob>

Still, I can't see how it can possibly help to stay in Iraq, or how we can ever hope that after some length of time things will be better.  We're still killing people at a rate that exceeds the insurgency.  How is this helping?

by Devilstower on 12/05/2005 03:07:21 PM EST

they were telling the truth.

With everyone else, they were lying. Heh!

So what do you think happens after we leave??? Obviously Embolden doesn't think the post-withdrawal Iraq will fare very well.

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by Tom Ball on 12/05/2005 03:49:47 PM EST

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I think that if we leave Iraq right now, the most likely course is a descent toward civil war and chaos.  I'd give no better than 1 in 5 odds that they'll pull it out, and expect that the best that might be acheived is a very loose confederation of none-too-friendly states, held together only by implicit fear of their neighbors.

Where we part is on the effect of continuing US involvement in Iraq.  My feeling is that by prolonging our stay, we're increasing, rather than decreasing, the chances for a bad conclusion.  If I could see that staying another year, two, or ten would reasonably lead to a stable nation, I'd swallow my reservations and say that we have to make that horrid investment in both blood and dollars.  But I see nothing to indicate that staying isn't at least as bad a gamble as going.

by Devilstower on 12/05/2005 04:36:38 PM EST

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it's clear that McCain - amongst the more reasonable on the right - is living in a different world regarding the desired future involvement of the US in Iraq.

If we had 400K or 500K troops in there, we'd be much better off. (In terms of our troops getting killed less. Don't get me wrong...we shouldn't be there in the first place.)

But McCain's comments are the first I've seen of him coming back to the real world and actually admitting that it's not going to happen.

Perhaps Hillary can stop calling for more troops, too?

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by cscs on 12/05/2005 04:34:47 PM EST

Had a large number of troops been sent in from the outset, we might have prevented the looting and the cycle of revenge murders that became the engine powering the insurgency.  We might actually have been able to put in a "fast track" to Democracy, provide Iraq with a small, but well-trained police force, patrol the borders so there was little infiltration of outside terrorists, and leave little doubt among their neighbors that any incusion would not be tolerated.

If we had behaved as we should (and as occupying powers are required under international law), we'd almost certainly be in better shape today.  Instead, we tried to go in fast and cheap, to better justify our ability to intervene in numerous sites.  In the process, we destroyed both civil authorities and our own reputation.  There is no quantity of soldiers available that can repair that damage.

by Devilstower on 12/05/2005 04:44:30 PM EST

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I beleive McCain has been consistent from the beginning that we should have had a significantly larger force there. That was one of his primary criticisms of the administration's handling of the invasion.

I'll look for a source. Hopefully I'm not confusing him with some other Republican -- like Lieberman.

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by Tom Ball on 12/05/2005 10:48:19 PM EST

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He's no better than Hillary, calling for troops that just are not there.

I didn't mean to imply that more troops today would "fix" everything.

Like you said, no quantity of soldiers can repair the damage we've done.

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by cscs on 12/06/2005 04:47:21 PM EST

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there were some who were against the invasion, but once we were there, they supported that idea that we should have sufficient troops to get the job done that we had already illegally been forced into.

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by Tom Ball on 12/06/2005 08:58:33 PM EST

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