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North Korea is reporting that they have successfully tested a nuclear weapon.
North Korea on Monday claimed it has performed a successful nuclear test, according to that country's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported.

The apparent nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials.

They can claim what they like, but from what I've seen, I think North Korea is lying.  Evidence after the jump.

Nuclear tests generate energy equivalent to a small earthquake, and as a result are visible on siesemographs.  Large tests can be seen around the world.  Even small tests (by which I mean something on the scale of the US "Trinity" test) are visible over a fairly broad area.

The 3.58 magnitude event that South Korean sources initially reported is not too far from what would be expected with a small device.  However, let's look at some other siesemic stations.

This is data from Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, Russia.  It's about 1000 miles, or 1600 kilometers, from the supposed North Korean test site.  The fastest eartquake waves -- the compression waves or "P" waves -- move though the crust at about 6 kilometers a second, so they should have made it to Yuzhno Sakhalinsk in about 266 seconds, or around 4 minutes.  But the data for 140 GMT shows nothing above background noise.

Even closer is this data from Mudanjiang, in Heilongjiang Province, China.  It's only around 400 miles from the supposed site of the test.  ANd yet, data for the period shows... nothing.

Both sites clearly show a small tremor that happened the previous day, but the "test" is in a clear period, where it should have been very visible.

If North Korea achieved a nuclear blast, it was small, so small that it's highly unlikely.  It appears more likely that:

  1. there was some blast, but with conventional explosives and far below the level that would be generated by a nuclear test.

  2. the nuclear device failed, giving a "fissle" yield.  This would not be too surprsing if North Korea tried to get by with an amount of uranium too close to the minimum critical mass, or had a flaw in the construction of the device.

  3. there was never any test at all.

In any case, from what I can see, there's nothing here to report.

UPDATE: The USGS is now confirming a 4.2 event, which is more in line with what would be expected from a Trinity-class device.

So, damn it, I may well be wrong.


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Why would they confirm that the DPRK had such a test?

Could it be because they know there will be an international outlash? Or that it will give them an excuse (along with Japan and the rest of SE Asia) to stock their own nukes?

Excellent post DT!

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by Tom Ball on 10/09/2006 12:27:42 AM EST

It looks like the USGS is now confirming a 4.2 magnitude event in NK.  Though I still see nothing -- and I mean nothing -- on the data from China, which is the closest public station to the site.

by Devilstower on 10/09/2006 12:36:00 AM EST

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I looked at the data you were looking at, and more on this page and it looks like whatever happened was in the South Pacific.  Look at Cook Islands, Midway, New Zealand, and Australia.

ODD.

A recent FBI search warrant reveals Republicans refer to themselves as the Corrupt Bastards Club!

by 8ackgr0und N015e on 10/09/2006 12:46:30 AM EST

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You guys are good.

Is there any way to keep an historic record of these images. Not saying the 'we need another distraction from Foley or another excuse to pump trillions of $$ into star wars along with a return to national security before the election' administration could get together an international consortium to lie about a seismic event. Just saying it will be interesting to see where the others are catching the event where the two of you did not;)

Just for fun, keep your nose open for something rotten in the south pacific.

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by Tom Ball on 10/09/2006 01:00:05 AM EST

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A recent FBI search warrant reveals Republicans refer to themselves as the Corrupt Bastards Club!

by 8ackgr0und N015e on 10/09/2006 01:03:23 AM EST

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A recent FBI search warrant reveals Republicans refer to themselves as the Corrupt Bastards Club!

by 8ackgr0und N015e on 10/09/2006 01:04:34 AM EST

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It was a plutonium device.  North Korea does have a uranium enrichment program, however.

I hate to bitch, but... why is it that so many bloggers seem convinced that they can become an instant expert on virtually any topic?  The internet is a powerful tool, but not that powerful.

Did you think the seismologists were lying?

by KyleC on 10/10/2006 05:12:39 PM EST

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