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Seismic evidence for North Korean Nuke? I'm skeptical. Email Print

Like a lot of other folks I hopped over to various news sources the second I heard NK had passed the point of no return.  However, it appears all the sources cited are simply quoting claims.  One anonymous source in SK is  quoted as citing seismic data showing an event registering 3.5 on the Richter scale.  That's a problem as you will see later.

Basically, we are looking for seismic data to show there was a nuclear blast.  That data is easy to get.

If that sucker is big enough to register a 4 on the Richter scale, I found a way we can all follow this story in real time from our own PCs!  (UPDATE: A seismic event in North Korea showed up on my PC around 04:30 UTC registering 4.2 on the Richter scale from  01:35 UTC).  That is about 10x what the SK source cited and makes it a little less than 1 kiloton.     HOWEVER I am not sure the real time telemetry backs up either claim.   I have uploaded telemetry from nearby Inchon Korea, as well as Beijing and the Solomon Islands.  In all cases, you see the Tonga quakes earlier in the day, but nothing around the time or after for the claimed NK blast.

Here's how you can follow this on your PC.  First you need to download Google Earth. It is an amaaaaaazing tool.  Google Earth combines satellite imagery, maps and the power of Google Search to put the world's geographic information at your fingertips.  I am looking at a shot (not real time) of Pyongyang right now.  I can count the cars on the road.  You get about 1 meter resolution in that part of the globe.

That's cool, but we are talking about seismic data, so you need a plug in.  Well, it turns out the USGS offers Latest Earthquake data in realtime via RSS feeds and a Google Earth plug in!  After you download Google Earth, go to the USGS page and download the Google Earth plug-in. It's a KML file labeled M 1+ earthquakes, past seven days (colored by age).  After you download it, Google Earth will automatically open running the plug-in.

You can see seismic records for 1 hour, 1 day, and 1 week color coded by time and coded by size (1 to 8 on the Richter scale).  Right now, there is an event registered at the time indicated in the correct location.

 However, there's a problem.  The seismic raw data doesn't match that claim.  Seismologists will try to get a separate magnitude estimate from every seismograph station that records the earthquake, and then average them.  This accounts for the usual spread of around 0.2 magnitude units that you see reported from different seismological labs right after an earthquake.  Each lab is averaging in different stations that they have access to.  It may be several days before different organizations will come to a consensus on what was the best magnitude estimate.  However, even if you overlook the mismatch in the estimates, you still have trouble finding evidence in the raw data from several sites.

Devilstower is also looking at the actual data and not seeing the signature you would expect from a nuclear blast of that magnitude.  

To show you what I am talking about, I have uploaded the telemetry from Inchon Korea, which is the closest station to North Korea.  Click on the thumbnail to see the larger image.  You see nice squiggles from the earthquake that happened earlier in the day starting around 13:50 near Tonga in the South Pacific, which is much further away. But nothing around 1:35 from a blast that happened relatively close by.

To see what I am talking about with the Tonga quake, here is a trace from the Solomon Islands, right near by. Again, click on that link to see the full size image.   See the BIG deflection?  That is the Tonga quake.  There is nothing after 1:35 on this trace either.

Here is a telemetry trace from Beijing China.  Click on the link to see the full size image.  Even with all the noise in the trace, you can still make out the high frequency squiggles from the Tonga quake, but nothing after 1:00 UTC.  The blast should show up sometime after 1:35 UTC.

I would be really interested if a professional seismologist could comment on these. But for now, I am witholding my judgment here.


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Great work amigo.

Keep it up!

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by Tom Ball on 10/09/2006 05:43:17 PM EST

The records I am showing are .02 Hz (low frequency).  In reality, we should be looking at 20 Hz (high frequency) recordings.  However, even with that the claims are all over the map in terms of yield and I think a consensus is developing that even if this was an attempt at a nuclear blast, that it was a dud.

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by 8ackgr0und N015e on 10/09/2006 10:00:46 PM EST

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I've been digging obsessively through the records to see what I can find on other tests, other quakes in the area, etc.  See my post this afternoon.

by Devilstower on 10/10/2006 03:29:35 PM EST

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According to Global Security.org:
The CONSTANT PHOENIX WC-135W serves as an aerial collection platform for the detection and identification of debris from nuclear weapons detonations. . .On 06 October 2006 Japan's Kyodo News agency reported that a US military aircraft, equiped to detect radiation from a nuclear test, took off from southern Japan. This was believed to be part of US efforts to prepare to monitor a North Korean nuclear test. Constant Phoenix

by Limelite on 10/09/2006 11:05:39 PM EST

Thanks for the link and the heads up, amigo. Did they confirm the existence of radioactive material at the alleged test site?

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by Tom Ball on 10/10/2006 09:26:39 AM EST

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and I'm (politically) inclined to believe that any findings, whether they confirm or deny, will be deemed top secret, thus ensuring that we'll never be  informed as to the true nature of NK's explosion.

Like many, I view this incident as an example of "The Mouse That Roared Like a Paper Tiger."

by Limelite on 10/12/2006 11:02:09 PM EST

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