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Over the last several months, I have been following a number of articles and threads regarding basic civility (or perhaps I should say lack thereof) as regards blogging.  The Mena Trott, Ben Metcalfe dust-up at Les Blogs last December is a prime example.  Ad hominem attacks seem to be de rigueur, these days.  Any and all petty grievances get aired without the slightest thought to consequence, indeed; without any thought at all.  The rhetoric, in general, has recently ratcheted up to alarming proportions.  Threats of actual violence are becoming more common, usually by those ill-equipped to compete with an increasingly informed public.  I have also noted a propensity toward racial and sexual bias.  These posters seem to target the easily identifiable - with women the primary target.  

Opened up a new line of thought, have I?  Don't worry - I can back this statement up - if you will please allow a slight digression.  A good friend of mine who teaches High School has noted with alarm, considerable social changes over the last five years.  Real, physical violence toward both students and teachers has reached epidemic proportions - especially targeting females.  It bothers her to no end that the girls in her classes not only accept the abuse, but actually seem to crave and encourage it; as if sporting bruises and a black eye were some right of passage.  Indeed, she has watched in horror as girls as young as 14 preen and almost strut with pride after being debased as whores, or cuffed into submission by a boyfriend no older than they, but very obviously posing as the dominant partner.

Stay with me here, please - I really am not moving off the center argument.  It's just that I have noticed (based upon either cultural references or more direct statements) that most of the posted attacks (from a multiplicity of sites) seem to be coming from younger males (20 - 26).  Now calm down - this is not an indictment of the male gender - merely observations that I find rather significant, and am interested in exploring further.  Time in harness as a human being has lent me some modicum of wisdom (I hope!).  This particular theme is one I have hashed and re-hashed with many friends in an attempt to understand the implications.  Historically speaking, this attitude is not new - conservative male-dominated (read patriarchal) cultures tend to dismiss women in general as irrelevant.  (Note the early drafts of the Iraqi constitution, coupled with our own newly minted Supreme Court).  As regards blogging however, this dismissal of cogent discussion in favor of chaotic and random attack, reeks of the kind of `owner/slave' mentality my teacher friend deplores, and has found herself powerless to counteract.

I won't take time here to diverge into what I see as cultural triggers - though frankly, I could write a book on the subject (which I am!), focusing in on pop-cultural influences as regards gender and sexuality (modern more than historical; there is just too much ground to cover!).  As a matter of fact, my husband and friends are probably tired to death of hearing my ballistic response over whatever Madison Avenue's latest commercial atrocity is the current craze.  Let's just say that blogs in general just seem to be lacking basic civility, or at least going down that road.  And I have to say that those of you who, in decrying this trend, end up backing off as a result of it; can't help but add to the cumulative effect with your absence.  So - what the hell can we do?  Throw up our hands in disgust and turn the whole damn shooting match over to the trolls and the baiters?  I don't like that scenario; it smacks of resignation, and allows someone whose entire raison d'etre reeks of disruption the satisfaction of having won.  So here are some of my suggestions on how to handle the situation.

Being relatively new to the blogasphere (I've only been blogging about 5 months in all); I do realize that my relative `virgin' status may relegate my observations to the back of the bus file in some peoples minds; and that this subject may also be old hat to some; but were it possible, I would like to see those issuing actual threats tracked down and prosecuted.  Note I said `were it possible'.  As it isn't at this time (at least within my rather limited knowledge of what technology would be needed to achieve such a result), the ancient act of shunning seems to be the best bet.  Ignore any commentary antithetical to the general discussion.  No matter how provocative the rhetoric, don't answer!  To answer base accusations is to lend them credence.  All one person has to do is respond, and it immediately grants legitimacy to the attacker and their inflammatory statements.  You see - if you begin to explain why something is, or is not - you have already lost the debate.  "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?"  See?  A person is doomed from the start.  "How often do you beat your dog?"  Think about it - there is just no safe way to answer that question.  Yes, I know - there are times when your bile level threatens to overflow and swamp your keyboard.  Been there.  Get up, and walk away.  Delete the comment, go visit another site, pet your cat.  Anything other than grant your tormentor the satisfaction he desires - the ruination of your day.

Intentionally provocative statements are designed to hit, and hit hard. Those who participate in this brand of hate-mongering are able to carve out a bully pulpit by the sheer dint of such button-laden rhetoric.  These attacks are, in my opinion, driven by fear.  Not the kind of fear generally attributed to the human condition (fight, flight, etc.).  No - this fear comes from a lack of certitude.  When someone needs to shout down or crush the opposition, it usually means that somewhere, deep inside, they are mortally afraid of what their opponent is saying.  Perhaps, just perhaps, their truth may not stand alone in its righteousness.  If, (as I am beginning to suspect after years of basic human observation), this is indeed the truth of the matter (especially as regards attitudes toward and about women) - no amount of tsk, tsking, or finger pointing will do a damn bit of good.  Perhaps the person participating in the attack culture is doing so in an attempt to convince himself of his own potency (the `too much testosterone in the room' syndrome).  If that's the case, nothing anyone can say or do will affect his opinion in any way.  So don't waste your time!

As for the violent threats part - that, as they say, is another ball of wax.  Let us consider the very real possibility of some mental imbalance being present.  And that, in my opinion, is what makes all of this truly frightening.  Brutal words often lead to vicious action - as has been proved time and time again throughout recorded history.  Violence may indeed be the last resort of the feeble-minded, but it is always the first choice for any who believe in their own sanctified invincibility (reference George Bush).  That - and it deflects the white-hot spotlight off of their own fears, focusing it in a different direction - usually whomever they have fixated upon.  Confront the crazy, and you are opened up to all kinds of really scary things.  So don't put yourself in the crosshairs.  Just let the comments lie, or better yet, delete them and continue the thread on subject.  Now, I do realize that employing all the above still may not work.  Stalking runs rampant across the internet, and I've noticed it ruining many a site or discussion thread - sometimes forcing the blogger to move or shut down.  And it's not just the porn purveyors or troll hijackers that jump in and take control.  It's all too easy to track someone, even considering the (necessary) alias's we use.  I've heard of more than one blogger having their URL compromised by hackers as well.

So - obviously there's no easy solution.  I go back to ostracism.  Ignore the f**kers where feasible.  None of us want our ability to air our thoughts compromised, so a credible policing of the internet seems unfeasible at this time.  We're on our own, folks.  Let's just try and do the best we can.  


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Since becoming addicted to reading web sites I noticed that the comments on this site and others are often derogatory in nature.  I am currently reading a book called DISINFORMATION.  And I often disagree with the author's conclusions.  It is difficult for me to read things I disagree with but it causes me to turn off to his arguments altogether when he makes snide comments about people who disagree with him.  I mention this because the comments that I read on this web site will cause people who disagree to turn off and not complete reading the information, which may be true.  

My question, are we all just Rush Limbaugh wannabees, who denigrate opposition instead of countering it with valid arguments?  And what good does this do us if we turn off all those who might be persuaded with valid information before they can assimilate the information?

by ann on 02/06/2006 12:29:13 PM EST

Much of what The Fat Lady Sings says here reminds me of my days on discussion groups on usenet. Flame wars were rampant and often killed groups for long periods of time. Most of us who learned cybermanners on usenet learned how to ignore the flames. Of course, most newsreaders had facilities for filtering posts from unwanted and unruly users so we could turn on or off those who annoyed or offended us at will.

I really hope the blogosphere does not descend into this sort of flaming and sniping. If you have a beef with someone, take it behind the scenes, don't fight in public. It just makes everyone look stupid.

by GeneG on 02/06/2006 05:25:25 PM EST

Trolls seem to travel in packs, and they can really get someone down if they aren't up to dealing with them. Because I write for several radical feminist sites, I get a lot of abuse. There's only one effective way to handle them.

Delete them.

A blog is not a public space, it's your "house" on the 'net. Would you tolerate some idiot coming into your house and creating a disruption? Would you put up with a stranger walking in and disrupting a conversation between you and your friends?

I'm not suggesting censorship. If someone wants to argue the fine points of a position or idea, that's great. Once they call you a name or become abusive, they've crossed a line. A warning sign is when a new poster comes in an announces that you aren't going to be able to counter his arguments. (I say "his" because I've yet to encounter a female troll. Women can be a bit obnoxious, but they aren't usually disruptive and belligerent the way male trolls are.)

Most blogs allow moderation of comments now. Use it mercilessly. You don't owe anybody space on your site. They act like adults or they don't get in the game. If you don't like what you read here, keep moving - somebody somewhere will say something you like.

If the abuse continues, send a complaint to their administrator or ISP. I'm amazed at how frequently anti-feminist trolls write from military and law enforcement domains. One complaint usually stops that cold. Most internet providers prohibit harrassment of any kind in their terms of service.

If a poster issues a threat, notify their ISP, your ISP, send a copy to your local law enforcement agency, and print out copies of the threat. We tell women that if an abuser threatens to do something, eventually he will do it. While it is true that most trolls are more bark than bite, there's no need to take a chance. Document and report.

If they cross a line like contacting you in real life, take action. If they contact you by phone, notify the phone company and see if you can get a block on the phone, and get abusive callers traced. Some areas have a way to do this.

If they contact you at your house, call the authorities. Don't screw around with someone with such poor boundaries - getting in touch with you personally implies instability.

Unless your troll is exceptionally tech-savvy, their exact location is available in the header of their messages, so always forward a copy of the whole message to the administrators.

I agree that there's a general problem in discourse in America in every forum. The attitudes you describe among your friend's students is a prime example. I believe we are raising a generation of sociopaths. They think Greed is Good, cheating is ok to get what you want, and they entertain themselves with music that denigrates women and video games that reward abusing prostitutes and killing the most people. All of this in an environment that doesn't provide adequate sexual education or socialization, which pumps them full of chemicals and hormones unknown to their grandparents, awash in electronic stimulation that didn't exist 30 years ago, where elections are stolen, votes aren't counted, people advertise their sex lives on the web, the "good guys" advocate the most twisted forms of torture and celebrities don't go to jail for murder.

Try to raise a kid that isn't a mess in an environment like that.

The internet is an amazing opportunity. It will be the measure of our civilization what we do with it. I've got my fingers crossed, but hope is waning, especially in light of the pervasive misogyny in the "progressive" blogosphere.

Good post.

Support the Women's Autonomy and Sexual Sovereignty Movements.

by Morgaine Swann on 02/09/2006 05:11:50 AM EST

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