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We are witnessing a great insult to the name of Muhammed and to the entirety of the religion of Islam. Across the world the name of Muhammed is being degraded and dragged the mud. Muslims around the world need to fight against this degradation of their religion. And it is NOT the Danish who are to blame.

Muslims around the world are responding to an imagined slight with a violent temper tantrum worthy not of adults who are members of one of the world's great religions, but of two year old children who cry, scream and kick at the slightest provocation.

Let me be clear on two points. First, I am by no means saying that Islam is an immature religion or that all Muslims are immature. Nor am I saying that it is good to for a newspaper to intentionally insult one of the world's great religions.

What I am saying is that the very stereotype that two of the Danish cartoons were based on are being displayed in no uncertain terms by the rioting Muslims. The image that the rioting Muslims are projecting is exactly the image that they feel insulted by in those two cartoons.

The reality is this: a Danish newspaper printed some cartoons of Muhammed. Most of those cartoons were perfectly respectful and even sympathetic to Islam. Two of those cartoons were offensive in that they were applying negative stereotypes of Muslims to the prophet Muhammed. These cartoons brought up many issues that are important for all nations to face: the fact that Islam is no more or less legitimate a religion than Christianity, Judaism or any other religion; that Western nations have unfair and stupid stereotypes of Muslims; and that modern Islam has, in some ways been hijacked by some of its most extreme factions. All of these issues are important issues and all of them are portrayed in the Danish cartoons.

I applaud the newspapers that have printed these cartoons because we DO need to face these issues and no crying, screaming, kicking mob should intimidate us into ignoring them. Perhaps the two offensive cartoons should have been left out, but the reaction of the rioting Muslims may actually show more than ever the need to confront the more extremist factions of Islam. Perhaps those offensive cartoons struck too close to home.

What we are seeing is the name of Muhammed being used by extremist factions within Islam to inspire a massive, religious temper tantrum over imagined slights. These extremists are telling the world that Islam is so immature that it cannot take criticism. These extremists are telling the world that Islam is unable to face the issues raised by these cartoons. These extremists are telling the world that their faith in the word of Muhammed is so weak that the publication of mere cartoons can threaten that faith. They are telling the world that Islam has the mentality of a two-year-old brat.

I have known many Muslims and count some as friends. I have also met many Muslims in Turkey and Israel. All of these Muslims that I have personally met and known have been kind, mature, thinking individuals. They were not immature. They were not unable to take criticism. They were perfectly able to discuss in a rational manner any controversial issue you can imagine. Their faith was not weak, it was strong enough to shrug off stupid insults and move on with life.

The extremist factions of Islam are lying to us. They are degrading the name of Muhammed and insulting Islam. Most Muslims I have known are nothing like those rioting extremists. And yet, in modern times those extremists who have the mentality of a two-year-old brat and who are now rioting because they can't handle controversy are a fairly dominant voice in Islam today. Extremists have in many ways taken over the Muslim world and it is up to moderates to stand up to them.

This alone is worrisome: that one of the world's top religions is dominated by extremists. But then we are also seeing extremists like Pat Robertson are a major voice within Christianity in America. We are seeing extremists like Netanyahu are a major voice within Israel and within American Judaism. We are seeing extremists dominating the debate around the world.

These extremists of ALL religions spend most of their time ranting over imagined slights, crying over criticism and generally throwing never ending temper tantrums. The temper tantrum of a two-year-old child is unpleasant. The temper tantrums of these extremists are leading to tens of thousands of deaths every year. If our faiths are so weak that the teaching of evolution, an established and robust scientific theory, threatens that faith, we need to search within ourselves for our weaknesses, not deny evolution. If our faiths are so weak that the publishing of cartoons about our faith is so traumatic we have to riot, then we need to search within ourselves for our weaknesses, not burn the flags of the nations where newspapers have printed those cartoons. If our faiths are so weak that we are willing to lie to invade other nations and we call that war based on lies a "crusade" or "jihad," then we are nothing but a bunch of weak, bratty bullies.

Is this what our major religions are all about? Is this really the face of true faith? Riots, invasions, temper tantrums... Is this what our great religious leaders intended our faith to be?

If so, then our faith is worth nothing. The faith of Pat Robertson, of the rioting Muslims, of suicide bombers, of George Bush, of the whole bunch of extremist children is worth nothing. The cartoon of Muhammed with a bomb in his turban is not about Muhammed. Rather it is about the extremist Muslims who are right now rioting. That cartoon is not true of Muhammed or most of his followers, but it is true of those childish, rioting Muslims.

These extremists of all religions are destroying modern civilization. These extremists are a threat to the world. These extremists must be stopped. And it is up to the moderates of each religion to stop the extremists of their own religion. Until moderate Muslims stand up and tell their extremist brethren to shut up and sit down, Islam will be unworthy of Muhammed. Until moderate Christians tell Bush and Robertson to shut up and sit down, Christianity in America will not be worthy of Jesus Christ. Violent crusades and jihads are stupidity. It is time for moderate, rational people to stop listening to anyone who calls for a violent crusade or jihad.


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I agree with your comparison of the Muslims who are reacting to these cartoons with the actions of Robertson and possibly Bennie.  I did think your argument is a bit redundant.  Also, there was an article somewhere last night, it may have been the Daily Kos, written by a guy who had been in the Middle East and pointed out that these cartoons were published in September. Why has it taken almost five months for Muslims to become so worked up?  Because Saudi Arabia was covering its butt for more deaths at the Haj and so they stirred the pot by picking on the Danish cartoons.   Whether he is correct or not, it is an interesting question, why five months delay in anger.  

by ann on 02/08/2006 09:59:17 AM EST

While I certainly understand people wincing at images that could be considered offensive, the childish nonsense displayed by Muslims around the world does indeed simply re-inforce the suspicion that many of us have that this religion is incompatible with a pluralistic democracy. However, there is a theocratic Christofascist movement in this country that is slowly gaining strength and power. Worldview Weekend.com takes you to the heart of one of the organizations that supports and aggressively propagandizes for a theocratic state.

Go to the web page and take the WorldView quiz. Simply reading the quiz is enough to make thoughtful people shudder at the thought of these people gaining any power in the USA. Take it.

My quiz results indicate that I'm a "Communist,Marxist, Socialist, Secular Humanist Worldview Thinker".

Not a bad score for a seminary graduate and ordained minister; I'm quite happy with it.

The real threat to our Democratic Republic is from within - our own homegrown Christofascists, not from without.  

by leland61e on 02/10/2006 08:10:27 AM EST

When I tried going to their site to take the quiz it simply told me I was forbidden to enter that site.

Maybe they know me!

I agree. Our nation is under severe threat of dictatorship. I have likened it to the end of the Roman Republic. There was no earthshattering, definite "end of the Republic" and formation of an empire. It was a process of slowly changing the real strutcure of the government while keeping the trappings of a Republic as a facade. By and large that is what is happening in America right now.

The sad thing is Islam is NOT incompatable with representative Democracy. But it takes someone like Ataturk to try and set something up to resemble a modern Republic. Turkey still isn't quite there in some ways, but it isn't bad. It probably isn't much worse than Spain in that way, both nations having a major black mark on their records in their dealings with particular ethnic groups. Turkey, even when controlled by an Islamist party, is freer than many nations.

What is needed for any nation and any religion is separation of church and state. When they get combined, that is when it is time to watch out. Washington, Jefferson, Madison and the rest would be horrified by America today. And I bet they would score much like you on that quiz.

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by mole333 on 02/10/2006 08:31:14 AM EST

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"imagined slights"?

by catnip on 02/13/2006 05:52:47 PM EST

I am not saying that the West is all love and kisses when it comes to Islam. It isn't and there are real insults and attacks going both ways.

What I was emphasizing was the fact that the cartoons were a mixed bag: negative, neutral and positive images of Islam. Some were attacking the stereotypes of the West and even taking a cynical view of the paper's PR stunt itself.

I am not saying that Islam and the West don't have real issues and that fools like Ann Coulter really do blatantly and ignorantly insult Islam.

But the rioting is based largely not on the cartoons themselves but on a misrepresentation of those cartoons by some Muslims, including claims that Israel is behind the whole thing and invented cartoons that had nothing to do with what was published.

In many ways the cartoons were a cross section of the very issues, going both ways, that  the West and Islam need to face--the racism, the extremism, the violence, the misunderstanding. All was in there very deliberately. In some cases it was handled heavy-handedly, in other cases very sympathetically. But the issues need to be confronted. Yet the reactions from the extremists on both sides have been falling into exactly the same old roles that the cartoons were confronting us with. The rioters are fulfilling the racial stereotype that some of the cartoons use offensively. Right wing nuts like Ann Coulter are playing into the same ignorant stereotypes that another of the cartoons is pointing out in Westerners.

In other words, the cartoons seem to be nailing several nails on the head: some are aimed at Islam and some at the West. Most of the world is reacting along the same lines that the cartoons outline: many Muslims with blind rage, many Westerners with blind racism and many newspapers with blind claims of freedom. The cartoons portray each and every reaction that is happening on both sides.

Where are the moderates? Mostly silent. Many US and Canadian Muslim groups and most Jewish groups around the world have been taking a moderate stance: condemning both the cartoons and the violence. I think they are in part wrong about the cartoons, but still, there is a need to address the emotions that the cartoons have stirred, so it is appropriate for both Muslim and Jewish religious organizations to condemn both sides. Bravo!

But still the rioters on one side and the Fox News racists on the other whip themselves into frenzies of extremism...over what?

Cartoons that portray the very issues that the world needs to face to establish peace between the West and Islam.

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by mole333 on 02/14/2006 01:08:12 PM EST

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I disagree that the Muslim reaction has been over any "imagined slight". They have cause to concerned.

What I've seen now from a few people who defend the publishing of these cartoons is this pointing to the resulting violence as justification. That makes absolutely no sense. We knew there were extremists before. What this discussion ought to be about is the decision to publish defamatory pictures of their prophet. The fallout is another subject entirely.

As for western extremists, we have hate speech laws in Canada to take care of their putrid rhetoric. They don't deserve to be heard. We already know how sick-minded they are. Giving them an audience solves nothing.

by catnip on 02/14/2006 02:26:28 PM EST

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First off, I was not justifying the publication using the reaction. That wouldn't make sense unless we all had time machines.

As for Western extremists...well, I don't live in Canada. I live in the US where, currently, the right wing extremists, espousing a particualary putrid form of Christian extremism, run the whole show. I am faced with religious extremism of a threatening, if not yet domestically violent, form every day.

Now, as far as the cartoons go, once again, they are a mix. To lump them all together as "defamatory" is not accurate. It is a mistake that ignores the gist of what the cartoonists (if not necessarily the publicity seeking paper) were getting at: facing up to the issues dividing the wordl. Again, mixed in with the potentially offensive ones are cartoons that directly criticize the western misconception of Islam. The issues touched are all real issues that can't be ignored. Clearly, though, the publication of the cartoons pointing out these issues did not work to get people talking rationally about them. But can we use the failure of the cartoons to stimulate constructive dialogue to condemn their publication? That also would not make sense. I think most (all??) of the cartoonists had good intentions. That was my surprising conclusion after actually LOOKING at the cartoons and thinking about them. Many who condemn them have not seen them or thought about them.

I am more than willing to call into question the wisdom of publishing two or three of the cartoons. But remember, they are two or three out of twelve and furthermore they weren't even the ones that sparked most of the outrage. The outrage got going months after the publication and was partly the result of faked cartoons being posted on Muslim websites as if they were the real ones. So some of the outrage has nothing to do with the Danish cartoons. That is part of why I said "imagined slight." The most offensive cartoons that sparked the outrage were never ones published by any Western media and one at least was a falisification by people fanning the flames of outrage (particularly the Muhammed with a pig nose one).

I am willing to withdraw the use of "imagined slight." I see why you have a problem with my usage of that term. Despite the fact that some of it WAS imagined (i.e. based on cartoons that were either rejected or falsified), you are right that there are real issues of racism that are legitimate reasons for outrage. The cartoons were  a spark that lit some legitimate tinder. But SOME at least of the cartoons were CRITICIZING that very racism among Westerners. They were making the very point that you are making regarding Western racism towards Muslims. Yet this is ignored by the rioters. That and the complete failure of many of the more extreme Muslims to give equal considerations to, say, Judaism as a religion really calls into question the reaction on the part of these extreme Muslims. Many of the groups and nations that are reacting most violently about the Danish cartoons are perfectly happy to see cartoons vilifying Jews and Judaism. Such cartoons have been daily fare in some Muslim newspapers for decades. It is much harder to accept their outrage given their unwillingness to show equal consideration...even AFTER a large number of Jewish organizations worldwide CONDEMNED the Danish cartoons and hence showed sympathy to the Muslim outrage. After such support from Jewish religious leaders, Muslim extremists still called for cartoons making fun of the Holocaust. I'm sorry, but that is unacceptable. Should I go riot now because they are denegrating the extermination of some of my relatives?

No. I shouldn't.

This is not a simple issue. Nor were the cartoons, taken collectively, simple in message. One cannot simply define them as offensive or defamatory (since some very definitely were NOT). Nor can one look only at one side: only at Western racism, only at Muslim violence, only at free speech, only at respect for other religions. ALL of these are represented in the cartoons and in the reality that preceded AND followed the publication of the cartoons. It is that complexity that I try to discuss and which I feel that extremists on both sides fail to even vaguely conceive of.

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by mole333 on 02/14/2006 05:16:54 PM EST

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